VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

sept0342 said:

Too much complaining around here. No one forces you to stay here or to keep following this game. If you don't like it, there are other alternatives (or not?). So much for getting a game for free.

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GingerSweetGirl said:

In his defense, not only is communication a weakness for him, but he's also trying to do it in a foreign language. I agree with your point, but when we say that he communicated like a 12 year old I think that's a bit harsh considering the language barrier.

That said, his communication does suck. I'm not sure if he's always intentionally vague or confusing, but I often struggle to understand his meaning. In hindsight, he should have considered bringing in a communications person to do the postings on Patreon and other public places. His English is only good enough to get him in trouble. He can communicate simple thoughts well enough, but when he attempts detailed answers he falls apart.

I get the impression that what he thinks is a fun, titillating, statement is, to native English speakers, confusing and unclear. This gets the cycle rolling as L&P becomes more frustrated and communication breaks down more. He sincerely may not understand some of the mistakes he makes and that he's confusing people more than informing them.

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Lukasz1 said:

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The update should actually already be out but "the new thing" just drags along, and it's not just because of me! All I can promise that it will be a pretty special update! When I give you an approximate release time span, you will see at the latest what I was talking about all the time!
But for some of my more loayal patrons who just can't wait anymore, I could show at least a little teaser. Only if you won't share it anywhere else, of course!
Or you don't want the surprise to be spoiled and like to wait a bit longer. I'm practically done with the scene creation and heading to finish the update until the end of February.

I'm very impatient and agree to get the surprise spoiled, so just finally show me that damn teaser!
74%
I don't want to get the surprise spoiled and like to wait a little bit more
26%
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GingerSweetGirl said:

In his defense, not only is communication a weakness for him, but he's also trying to do it in a foreign language. I agree with your point, but when we say that he communicated like a 12 year old I think that's a bit harsh considering the language barrier.

That said, his communication does suck. I'm not sure if he's always intentionally vague or confusing, but I often struggle to understand his meaning. In hindsight, he should have considered bringing in a communications person to do the postings on Patreon and other public places. His English is only good enough to get him in trouble. He can communicate simple thoughts well enough, but when he attempts detailed answers he falls apart.

I get the impression that what he thinks is a fun, titillating, statement is, to native English speakers, confusing and unclear. This gets the cycle rolling as L&P becomes more frustrated and communication breaks down more. He sincerely may not understand some of the mistakes he makes and that he's confusing people more than informing them.

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palmtrees89 said:

So the new/special/surprise/whatever thing can be seen in a teaser? That's kinda cancelling out the possibility of animations, no? Also, funny how he's calling high tier patrons "more loyal" just because they're throwing more money into this sinkhole.

Practically done with scene creation, but still requires an entire month to finish the update? So this "new thing" apparently slows down writing and photoshop work aswell? Kinda weird, no? Especially since this update will most likely consist of way less renders than previous ones, and even those barely took him a month to finish the writing/photoshopping. Slowing down progress on literally every front possible.

I don't get why he's hyping this release up as such a super awesome special one, when this new feature will make an even larger impact in future updates. As he said himself in previous statements, we'll only get a first look at this new thing in the upcoming release, implying that it'll likely have an even larger impact in future releases. (And even slower updates aswell?)

Then again, honestly, reading this mess is just as confusing as always. Is he even talking about this "new thing" regarding the teaser, or is it only about the bonus event?

"All I can promise that it will be a pretty special update! When I give you an approximate release time span, you will see at the latest what I was talking about all the time! But for some of my more loayal patrons who just can't wait anymore, I could show at least a little teaser. Only if you won't share it anywhere else, of course!"

Since he was talking about this "new thing" all the time like it's the holy grale of VN's, I'd assume that's what he wants to showcase in the bonus teaser? So what now? Is the bonus event the "new thing", or is there actually a new feature? This entire post is so poorly written, it could've been posted by a 12 year old for all I know. Guess we'll know more once he gives us the approximate release date. Or maybe not...

I still stand by my previous statement that he's likely not even have any helpers and just started working with Blender himself and that's it. Easy (and weak) way to come up with excuses for more delays without taking the blame himself.

Anyway, end of February release means roughly 3 months and 10 days for 1/10th of a PD, and almost 3 years to finsish this playable day 13 if this is the new norm per update. Just wow. Amazing.

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ashitanojoe said:

I'm in that 18%, I don't want to see the spoiler.

The sad truth is that I'm not a patron and I can't get it. XD

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XaGnard said:

I really hope more of his supporters realize this and look for more useful projects to support.

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neil_ku said:

Release date aside, the thing I am concerned about is how the new artist (I don't like the term "helper") is being projected here and in the previous communications. It seems to me the that the entire blame of late delivery is being put on the new teammate. It is not motivating for a person to get pinned even during closed discussions, let alone being implicated in the public.

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bayrischman said:

whatmade sabertooth put me down as a troll because i said update the third week of februar now the developer will put it out at the end of february so probably not before mid- march

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t3alqdansam said:

Is it really a new artist? We only have his word for it. I am in the "Don't believe a damn word he says camp!" Just in case you wondered.

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hzjujk said:

I think the verbal pressure exerted by his supporters is already very great. And not only his supporters, but also here in the forum he constantly gets to hear criticism about his work speed and work organization. That he feels this pressure can be seen from some of his angry and inappropriate reactions here in this forum. I don't believe that his supporters could force him to work faster by not giving L&P money anymore. Let's assume I'm a lazy developer, or I've run out of ideas. But I have gotten used to the money. But now more and more supporters are leaving, the flow of money is decreasing. This will not change the attitude of the developer to his work. What will happen is that the developer tries with minimal effort to milk his FREE supporters with, for example, monthly teasers. In no case he will work faster again. Real power would get the supporters only if the contract terms would be changed. For example, that a backer could reclaim his money or a part of it if the developer does not deliver. But that would contradict the basic idea of this platform, which is to promote ideas that no one would support in the first place. On if it has now only degenerated into a business model.

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SCORPION.SKY said:

A lot of talk, a lot of discussion and in the end no one listens from the developers

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palmtrees89 said:

So the new/special/surprise/whatever thing can be seen in a teaser? That's kinda cancelling out the possibility of animations, no? Also, funny how he's calling high tier patrons "more loyal" just because they're throwing more money into this sinkhole.

Practically done with scene creation, but still requires an entire month to finish the update? So this "new thing" apparently slows down writing and photoshop work aswell? Kinda weird, no? Especially since this update will most likely consist of way less renders than previous ones, and even those barely took him a month to finish the writing/photoshopping. Slowing down progress on literally every front possible.

I don't get why he's hyping this release up as such a super awesome special one, when this new feature will make an even larger impact in future updates. As he said himself in previous statements, we'll only get a first look at this new thing in the upcoming release, implying that it'll likely have an even larger impact in future releases. (And even slower updates aswell?)

Then again, honestly, reading this mess is just as confusing as always. Is he even talking about this "new thing" regarding the teaser, or is it only about the bonus event?

"All I can promise that it will be a pretty special update! When I give you an approximate release time span, you will see at the latest what I was talking about all the time! But for some of my more loayal patrons who just can't wait anymore, I could show at least a little teaser. Only if you won't share it anywhere else, of course!"

Since he was talking about this "new thing" all the time like it's the holy grale of VN's, I'd assume that's what he wants to showcase in the bonus teaser? So what now? Is the bonus event the "new thing", or is there actually a new feature? This entire post is so poorly written, it could've been posted by a 12 year old for all I know. Guess we'll know more once he gives us the approximate release date. Or maybe not...

I still stand by my previous statement that he's likely not even have any helpers and just started working with Blender himself and that's it. Easy (and weak) way to come up with excuses for more delays without taking the blame himself.

Anyway, end of February release means roughly 3 months and 10 days for 1/10th of a PD, and almost 3 years to finsish this playable day 13 if this is the new norm per update. Just wow. Amazing.

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Talcum Powder said:

I'm not sure we could say that communication is his weakness. It's been fairly obvious for well over a year now that the problem is what he has to communicate - the substance of what he's saying is the problem. The language barrier may be making it sound worse to native English speakers, but no matter how fluent you are or how elegant your phrasing, bullshit will invariably emit a recognizable stench.

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